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Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Torture doesn’t work!

It’s official: torture doesn’t work. Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, did not in fact “produce the intelligence that allowed us to get Osama bin Laden," as former Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in 2011. Those are among the central findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA interrogation and detention after 9/11.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/torture-report-dick-cheney-110306.html#ixzz3LVK5J0nsThe self-defeating stupidity of torture might come as news to Americans who’ve heard again and again from Cheney and other political leaders that torture “worked.” Professional interrogators, however, couldn’t be less surprised. We know that legal, rapport-building interrogation techniques are the best way to obtain intelligence, and that torture tends to solicit unreliable information that sets back investigations.

Yes, torture makes people talk—but what they say is often untrue. Seeking to stop the pain, people subjected to torture tend to say what they believe their interrogators want to hear.
The report is essential because it makes clear the legal, moral, and strategic costs of torture. President Obama and congressional leaders should use this opportunity to push for legislation that solidifies the ban on torture and cruel treatment.

Terms like “waterboarding” and “enhanced interrogation” obscure the brutal, sometimes bloody, reality. It was about the delivery of pain.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/torture-report-dick-cheney-110306.html#ixzz3LVDwRFJF

Bush - Cheney - Rice = dehumanizing and barbaric

I am going rogue... God help me.     It's not a deep seated hate....just /// just...////

He's a sick bastard!  A Dick-head!
Dumb Dub-yah. . . It’s become common to speak about Bush as a kind of lovable buffoon. We joke about how dumb he was and roll our eyes at the idea that he got elected twice. This is a mistake. Bush, and especially the people he put in charge of the country, committed unforgivable crimes. To let him off the hook with a sigh and a shrug is to absolve him of the kind of barbaric wrongdoing that he knowingly committed.
Many have noted that part of George W. Bush’s success in spite of a glaring lack of intelligence or eloquence was his folksy charm. He’s the president voters wanted to have a beer with. But with the release of the Senate’s new and devastating report on torture methods used by the CIA after September 11, 2001, we get a stunning reminder of why you don’t elect your drinking buddies to be the leader of the free world.

And then there is Dick Cheney.
Republicans like to criticize President Obama for his lack of leadership, but in comparison to Bush, Obama looks like Napoleon. No one on Earth could say that Vice President Joe Biden is the one really calling the shots in the White House, Obama has consistently exerted his will in the Oval Office. Bush, on the other hand, was led around on a leash by Cheney and the CIA.
According to the newly released report, Bush had almost no idea what the CIA or Cheney were up to until it had already happened. Frequently, decisions that should have been run by the president stopped at Cheney, leaving Bush to later play catch up 

President George W. Bush was never briefed by the Central Intelligence Agency on the details of harsh interrogation techniques and secret detention of terror suspects for the first four years of the controversial program, and when he did find out the details, he was “uncomfortable” with some of the practices, according to the long-awaited report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were briefed on the interrogation techniques sometime in 2003, the committee report states. Other top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, also eventually received briefings about the details of the program, but not the president himself.

In 2008 on CBS:
Vice President Dick Cheney, meanwhile, said “it’s a good thing” that top al Qaeda figures underwent the harsh interrogation tactic in 2002 and 2003, claiming they were forced to give up information that helped protect the country and saved “thousands” of American lives.
“It’s a good thing we had them in custody, and it’s a good thing we found out what they knew,” said Cheney, speaking Thursday to a meeting of conservative Republicans in Washington.
Then in 2014:
“If I would have to do it all over again, I would,” Cheney told the gathering, according to “The Eagle,” the school newspaper. “The results speak for themselves.”
And yet here’s the thing: The results don’t speak for themselves. In fact, nobody outside of Fox News now believes that torture has done anything other than cause suffering and lower America’s dignity. The new report puts that in devastating relief when it concludes that waterboarding, the torture technique beloved by Cheney and said to have helped the CIA find Osama bin Laden, did not “produce the intelligence that allowed us to get Osama bin Laden.” Cheney must have known that. He just kept lying and hoped a report like this never came out.
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